en: anita-malavasi: chapter-6: c: 6 title: "Questioned by fascists; Illegality" subtitles: sequence-1: s: 1 from: "00:00:00,11" to: "00:00:07,17" text: "They came around a week after they had arrested them, still in August." sequence-2: s: 2 from: "00:00:07,17" to: "00:00:13,09" text: "I was questioned for a whole day." sequence-3: s: 3 from: "00:00:13,09" to: "00:00:23,17" text: "In the morning I was interrogated by the chief of UPI and by one of the commissioners, I think it was Dr. Cocconi." sequence-4: s: 4 from: "00:00:23,17" to: "00:00:28,18" text: "He was the cousin of the second-in-command" sequence-5: s: 5 from: "00:00:28,18" to: "00:00:35,29" text: "of the central headquarters of the partisans operating in the mountains." sequence-6: s: 6 from: "00:00:35,29" to: "00:00:41,10" text: "I was questioned very harshly. They were accusing me." sequence-7: s: 7 from: "00:00:41,10" to: "00:00:44,24" text: "I was denying, claiming that I had gone there only to get some eggs," sequence-8: s: 8 from: "00:00:44,24" to: "00:00:51,11" text: "that a man had asked me for my ID card and I didn’t even know who he was." sequence-9: s: 9 from: "00:00:51,11" to: "00:00:54,23" text: "This went on for two or three hours." sequence-10: s: 10 from: "00:00:54,23" to: "00:01:01,07" text: "Then they said they were going to put me face to face with the man who had taken my ID card." sequence-11: s: 11 from: "00:01:01,07" to: "00:01:09,25" text: "They brought this man inside, he was in plain clothes but all dressed up, wearing a tie." sequence-12: s: 12 from: "00:01:09,25" to: "00:01:14,22" text: "I knew that partisans were tortured, and since he hadn’t been tortured…" sequence-13: s: 13 from: "00:01:14,22" to: "00:01:23,15" text: "So he began to tell what I had done, saying that my brother was a partisan and I had gone there to pick up a gun." sequence-14: s: 14 from: "00:01:23,15" to: "00:01:27,21" text: "At that point I just lost the light of reason." sequence-15: s: 15 from: "00:01:27,21" to: "00:01:33,05" text: "That was my luck, since I reacted in a very aggressive way:" sequence-16: s: 16 from: "00:01:33,05" to: "00:01:37,04" text: "“You’re a scoundrel, I went to pick up a gun?" sequence-17: s: 17 from: "00:01:37,04" to: "00:01:43,29" text: "When I got there you asked me for my ID card, you took note of my name," sequence-18: s: 18 from: "00:01:43,29" to: "00:01:51,19" text: "and as you saw I lived in Reggio, you said you knew my brother…”" sequence-19: s: 19 from: "00:01:51,19" to: "00:01:58,17" text: "I had to say this, since my brother had already gone to the mountains, it could have saved me." sequence-20: s: 20 from: "00:01:58,17" to: "00:02:05,17" text: "“You told me I had to bring a gun to him, but how could I say no to you?" sequence-21: s: 21 from: "00:02:05,17" to: "00:02:11,14" text: "You had a gun, I only had a basket of eggs in my hand”. I was very mean." sequence-22: s: 22 from: "00:02:11,14" to: "00:02:18,16" text: "So he said I was right, and took back what he had stated." sequence-23: s: 23 from: "00:02:18,16" to: "00:02:24,06" text: "They asked me to sign the minutes. I couldn’t tell what they wrote on it." sequence-24: s: 24 from: "00:02:24,06" to: "00:02:26,28" text: "My cousin and I signed." sequence-25: s: 25 from: "00:02:26,28" to: "00:02:34,04" text: "Then they told us we could go home, but they wanted to speak to us again the following morning." sequence-26: s: 26 from: "00:02:34,04" to: "00:02:38,15" text: "So I said: “Listen, I’m afraid to stay at home." sequence-27: s: 27 from: "00:02:38,15" to: "00:02:47,28" text: "Every night I go to San Bartolomeo to my cousin’s, she’s the local fascist secretary. Can I go there?”" sequence-28: s: 28 from: "00:02:47,28" to: "00:02:56,05" text: "My cousin said the same: “I usually go with her, or to my mother’s, would you let us go there?”" sequence-29: s: 29 from: "00:02:56,05" to: "00:02:58,28" text: "They told us we could." sequence-30: s: 30 from: "00:02:58,28" to: "00:03:05,02" text: "I got home and Mafaldo Chiessi, who was also an antifascist" sequence-31: s: 31 from: "00:03:05,02" to: "00:03:09,21" text: "and in charge of communications between Reggio and Milan, told me:" sequence-32: s: 32 from: "00:03:09,21" to: "00:03:16,26" text: "“Are you joking? You can’t stay here. Tomorrow they’ll torture you." sequence-33: s: 33 from: "00:03:16,26" to: "00:03:26,02" text: "Today was only the beginning. Things will be different tomorrow, trust me. Don’t think that they won’t come to get you." sequence-34: s: 34 from: "00:03:26,02" to: "00:03:31,16" text: "After what happened you must run away”." sequence-35: s: 35 from: "00:03:31,16" to: "00:03:35,08" text: "My poor father at some point said:" sequence-36: s: 36 from: "00:03:35,08" to: "00:03:40,17" text: "“I have four children, but I have to admit I don’t know them." sequence-37: s: 37 from: "00:03:40,17" to: "00:03:44,17" text: "I never thought that you were…”" sequence-38: s: 38 from: "00:03:44,17" to: "00:03:49,19" text: "That’s because we had been working in absolute secrecy." sequence-39: s: 39 from: "00:03:49,19" to: "00:03:57,06" text: "Even my boyfriend didn’t know what I was doing and his mother or his brother-in-law never told him." sequence-40: s: 40 from: "00:03:57,06" to: "00:04:07,08" text: "Secrecy was vital in order to survive; there was no other value but this." sequence-41: s: 41 from: "00:04:07,08" to: "00:04:10,23" text: "My father went on: “So now you’ll leave, too." sequence-42: s: 42 from: "00:04:10,23" to: "00:04:15,24" text: "I have a son who’s been away for a year now, and I don’t know where he is and if he’s alive." sequence-43: s: 43 from: "00:04:15,24" to: "00:04:22,18" text: "As for the other one, I have had no news for the last three months. He came home for a while but I don’t know where he is now”." sequence-44: s: 44 from: "00:04:22,18" to: "00:04:26,26" text: "There was no communication with the families from the mountains to the valley." sequence-45: s: 45 from: "00:04:26,26" to: "00:04:32,26" text: "“Now you’re going away, too, and I’ll stay home with your sister, a ten year old girl." sequence-46: s: 46 from: "00:04:32,26" to: "00:04:37,12" text: "But I think that you made the right choice." sequence-47: s: 47 from: "00:04:37,12" to: "00:04:47,21" text: "At least you’ll have a chance to save and defend yourself, unlike us who will end up like mice trapped at home." sequence-48: s: 48 from: "00:04:47,21" to: "00:04:52,19" text: "Just remember that your father thinks a lot of you”." sequence-49: s: 49 from: "00:04:52,19" to: "00:04:55,05" text: "That was what my father told me."