European Resistance Archive/European Resistance Archive (ERA)
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She said to me: you can save a child.
She said to me: you can save a child.
Lei mi disse che avrei potuto salvare un bambino. -
Additionally, I did not like children, they were horrible.
Additionally, I did not like children, they were horrible.
Sorrisi anche perché i bambini non mi piacciono per niente, sono terribili. -
So there is a story that her friend from Warsaw, not exactly from Warsaw, she was more from Vilnius.
So there is a story that her friend from Warsaw, not exactly from Warsaw, she was more from Vilnius.
Quindi c'era questa storia per cui una sua amica di Varsavia, anzi più di Vilnius, -
Before the Second World War they took part in some first-aid course.
Before the Second World War they took part in some first-aid course.
con cui prima della guerra aveva seguito qualche corso di pronto soccorso, -
So she had parents in Vilnius and her child, it was a girl who was 3 years old was left at her parents.
So she had parents in Vilnius and her child, it was a girl who was 3 years old was left at her parents.
aveva i genitori a Vilnius e a loro aveva affidato la sua figlia di 3 anni. -
She was living in Grodno as her husband was chemistry engineer
She was living in Grodno as her husband was chemistry engineer
Lei viveva a Grodno perché il marito era un ingegnere chimico -
and worked in Grodno in a chemical factory for the Soviet Union
and worked in Grodno in a chemical factory for the Soviet Union
e lavorava a Grodno, per l'Unione Sovietica, in qualche fabbrica chimica. -
and when the war broke out, Mr. Józef was deported into the Soviet Union to set up some factories there,
and when the war broke out, Mr. Józef was deported into the Soviet Union to set up some factories there,
Quando scoppiò la guerra con i tedeschi, il sig. Józef venne mobilitato e portato in profondità dell'Unione Sovietica per avviare lì delle fabbriche. -
and his wife with the second child, was sent somewhere into Russia.
and his wife with the second child, was sent somewhere into Russia.
Anche sua moglie con il secondo figlio, più piccolo, venne mandata da qualche parte in Russia. -
The child had very good papers as my college was Aryan
The child had very good papers as my college was Aryan
La figlia aveva dei documenti molto buoni perché questa mia conoscente era ariana -
and decided to give her last name and exactly the last name of her husband.
and decided to give her last name and exactly the last name of her husband.
e aveva deciso di darle il suo cognome, anzi il cognome del marito. -
And the priest, in Vilnius there were 2 priests, so the priest Kretowicz, Chlebowicz,
And the priest, in Vilnius there were 2 priests, so the priest Kretowicz, Chlebowicz,
Un prete a Vilnius, il prete Chlebowicz, le aveva rilasciato il certificato di nascita, secondo cui la bambina sarebbe la figlia di Irena e Jan Nowicki. -
priest Chlebowicz gave this child a birth certificate saying that she is a child of Irena and Jan Nowicki.
priest Chlebowicz gave this child a birth certificate saying that she is a child of Irena and Jan Nowicki.
A Vilnius c'erano due preti così: Kretowicz e Chlebowicz. -
And again the same story happens.
And again the same story happens.
E di nuovo la stessa storia. -
I go to Orwidów and say – this story, are we taking it or not?
I go to Orwidów and say – this story, are we taking it or not?
Vado a Orwidów, racconto cpme stanno le cose e chiedo se la prendiamo o no. -
All take responsibility for that.
All take responsibility for that.
Ognuno si prende la responsabilità per questo. -
Ok, but how to explain the presence of this child
Ok, but how to explain the presence of this child
Bene, ma come facciamo a spiegare la presenza della bambina? -
so I created the story because Irena was a white-pink blonde,
so I created the story because Irena was a white-pink blonde,
Io ho inventato una storia perché Irena era bionda con la pelle rosea, -
the child had also fair hair and blue eyes so we could say it was Irena`s daughter,
the child had also fair hair and blue eyes so we could say it was Irena`s daughter,
anche la bambina era chiara con gli occhi azzurri, quindi potevamo dire che era figlia di Irena. -
but the child could not say even a word in Polish,
but the child could not say even a word in Polish,
La bambina però non sapeva una parola di polacco,