European Resistance Archive/European Resistance Archive (ERA)
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Those Jews from the Łódź factories, or others from banks,
Those Jews from the Łódź factories, or others from banks,
Quegli eberi delle fabbriche di Łódź, o i banchieri, -
they were dealing with Germans, as about 70 percent of the Germans could be bought.
they were dealing with Germans, as about 70 percent of the Germans could be bought.
trattavano con i tedeschi perché il 70% dei tedeschi si lasciavano corrompere. -
And Germans quite often were transporting them…they were driving their car,
And Germans quite often were transporting them…they were driving their car,
I tedeschi spesso li portavano fuori in macchina… guidavano la loro auto -
and behind them there was a car, a car from the Gestapo, and they were transporting them so that nobody could approach them in the street.
and behind them there was a car, a car from the Gestapo, and they were transporting them so that nobody could approach them in the street.
e dietro c'era una macchina, la macchina della Gestapo, e loro li trasportavano, in modo che per strada nessuno potesse fermarli. -
Yes, there were many ways of organizing this.
Yes, there were many ways of organizing this.
Sì, c'erano modi diversi per organizzare tutto questo. -
But nobody was doing that for free. We have to say that.
But nobody was doing that for free. We have to say that.
Ma nessuno lo faceva gratis. Dobbiamo dirlo. -
Little kids.
Little kids.
I bambini. -
With girls there was no problem, but with boys, if he was circumcised, then it was a serious problem.
With girls there was no problem, but with boys, if he was circumcised, then it was a serious problem.
Con le ragazze non c'erano problemi, ma i ragazzi, se erano circoncisi, era un problema. -
First of all we had to go somewhere to some village,
First of all we had to go somewhere to some village,
Per prima cosa bisognava andare nei villaggi, -
to get a birth certificate from a priest.
to get a birth certificate from a priest.
per procurarsi da qualche prete un certificato di nascita. -
We went there with the priest, to the province around Warsaw areas, somewhere from Góra Kalwaria or Grójec.
We went there with the priest, to the province around Warsaw areas, somewhere from Góra Kalwaria or Grójec.
Andavamo in provincia, intorno a Varsavia, da qualche parte come Góra Kalwaria o Grójec. -
There the birth certificates were given.
There the birth certificates were given.
Lì rilasciavano i certificati di nascita. -
Documents were made and then without any problem you could go out with a boy or...
Documents were made and then without any problem you could go out with a boy or...
Si facevano i documenti e a qual punto era possibile portare fuori senza problemi o un ragazzo o... -
A lot of children taken out from the ghetto went to the monastery.
A lot of children taken out from the ghetto went to the monastery.
Molti bambini, maschi, portati fuori dal ghetto, andavano nei conventi. -
Monasteries were very helpful.
Monasteries were very helpful.
I conventi aiutavano molto. -
All monasteries in the Warsaw areas, I know about ten or fifteen cases, as me myself took part in it.
All monasteries in the Warsaw areas, I know about ten or fifteen cases, as me myself took part in it.
Tutti conventi intorno a Varsavia; io conosco dieci o quindici casi, perché in parte ero coinvolto in prima persona. -
I was settling documents, or delivering the birth certificate or taking one to the monastery.
I was settling documents, or delivering the birth certificate or taking one to the monastery.
Gli procuravo i documenti o consegnavo i certificati di nascita, oppure portavo qualcuno al convento. -
Because it was not that that I was taking a kid directly to a monastery, no.
Because it was not that that I was taking a kid directly to a monastery, no.
Ma non è che portavo il bambino direttamente in convento, no. -
I was taking it to, let us say, to Karczew and there,
I was taking it to, let us say, to Karczew and there,
Lo portavo, diciamo, fino a Karczew e lì, -
in Karczew I was passing this kid to somebody else and the next person took it to the monastery.
in Karczew I was passing this kid to somebody else and the next person took it to the monastery.
a Karczew, lo affidavo a qualcun altro e quel qualcuno lo doveva portare fino al convento.